Arvidas
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I do not get it - why do I need such tracker ?

Hi,

First of, this new tracker is awesome, very nice in style and details.
But ...
who needs such tracker where
players get rated based on how much time they play online?

I'm a afraid this kind of stats are useless like are useless to rate
based on kills to death ratio. What does it say ? I go and offer my self
to make my team win and of cause get shot but I also get most points
and help most the team. But kills to death ratio does not show this !

So what should we rate on stats ?

Obviously it is impossible to accurately rate a player skills just looking
by sum of kills or even kills to death ratio, not speaking by online time.

So the answer is quite simple - you cant ... unless you implement some
complex logics that emulate artificial intelligence.

What can you do is provide some stats that can be ordered by user.
Like I would look for stats where I can find players styles.

I would make stats like "Top Camper" obviously the best kills to death ratio
players a more camper like (add walked meters by round and its perfect !),
I would make stat like "Top Rambo of the week" where I would use
only kills per round value and add some parts of vip kills (as we all know rambos do that )
I would also make stat called "Top tactic masters of the year" where I would
use only counts values from capture and releases and played rounds
(and some numbers of the "Top Camper" stats :) )
And so on and so on ...

Basically users could this way figure out more use full information about another player
or him/her self.
Of course, this is too much work again but I hope ... I really hope you can do it !

Arvi
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CodeBlack
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Re: I do not get it - why do I need such tracker ?

Hello Arvi and welcome to MYT forums.

Thank you for your suggestion.

Stats means statistics so its the collection of all the data such as kill, death, win, lose, high score, weapon used/like etc etc. It is not to rate players to see or show how good or bad they are. and of course the more you play the more points you will get and the more it will show on the tracker, so it will increase if some players are playing more than other players.

We will try to add your suggestion to our list.

Thank you.
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Re: I do not get it - why do I need such tracker ?

Hello Arvidas

Players are NOT rated by kill/death ratio, neither by time played nor by overall points

If you were careful while checking player stats you would see that player rating is based on points per round ratio which is far away from your assumption

CodeBlack, you're wrong about the stats system too
Having a lot of points does not guarantee you anything :P
ie a player with 500 points and 50 rounds played will take a much higher position than another player with 1000 points earned within 900 rounds (10.0 vs 1.1)
Arvidas
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Re: I do not get it - why do I need such tracker ?

Thank you for replays,

CodeBlack, I'm clad that some of these ideas are listed now.

Serge, are points per round calculated by all time or just by last moths performance?
Obviously it would be more interesting to know most current status of the player
skills ! Not so interesting to know how good he/her was year ago.
I'm still little bit skeptical when I see stats that are too static.

For example on indication would be - how log will it take for a new skilled player to be come nr1
in our stats ? Maybe there is new pro coming from other server or
Sinaas him self changes IP and name - how fast our stats react to this ?

Arvi
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Re: I do not get it - why do I need such tracker ?

hi arvidas,
thank you for your comments.

i would just like to say this about the stats tracker.
regardless of what some people say about it, negative or otherwise.
serge and prophet have done a great job with this stats prog.
considering that Swat has no stats tracker of its own or any support at all from the maker of the game.
what ever input serge and prophet has put into is all a BIG plus.
these two guys could have done like the game makers, Nothing.
but they came up with what we have now over the past few years, a great stats tracker, wanted by many other gaming clans.
so please dont be soo hard or judgemental with comments against it, after all we could have had nothing at all.
with what these guys have done, it gives players a new angle of the game to play for.
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Re: I do not get it - why do I need such tracker ?

Arvidas wrote:Thank you for replays,

CodeBlack, I'm clad that some of these ideas are listed now.

Serge, are points per round calculated by all time or just by last moths performance?
Obviously it would be more interesting to know most current status of the player
skills ! Not so interesting to know how good he/her was year ago.
I'm still little bit skeptical when I see stats that are too static.

For example on indication would be - how log will it take for a new skilled player to be come nr1
in our stats ? Maybe there is new pro coming from other server or
Sinaas him self changes IP and name - how fast our stats react to this ?

Arvi
I think you dont get the point of our stats tracker at all.

Unlike other trackers that rate players by overall score (which is not good for new players) ours is based on completely relative calculation system - the points per round ratio which indicates REAL time stats.
We dont keep inactive players, they're automatically deleted from the rating table.

If you're a new player and really want to become the 1st then keep your score positive every round, don't kill VIPs, earn a higher ratio and you'll get your prize asap.
I'll tell you a secret, the new players have much more chances to improve their stats than those who play for longer time, thats's a side effect of the ratio formula or to be honest that's simple math.

However only best players earn the high positions (no matter how many points or time played they have)
[irony]we're not going to implement communism into the rating system to make everyone equal[/irony]

I really recommend you to take a closer look at the tracker, check FAQ section and read the notes before making such serious and wrong conclusions.
That's the best calculation system that we could implement, i dont see any better ideas so far.

It was hard and expensive to develop the stats tracker and not easier to keep it running. If you don't like it dont use it then.

Not every player is supposed to be first because this is life, get used to it.

No offence.
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CodeBlack
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Re: I do not get it - why do I need such tracker ?

oh yea sergey you're right.. i didnt mean to say points are there to show how good or bad players are..
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Arvidas
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Re: I do not get it - why do I need such tracker ?

First of all I must improve my respect for you work guys -
this is indeed the best tracker I ever saw !
I have behaved too radical here, if you like you could delete my post
at any time and forget this all.
On the other hand, if you r interested we can continue little bit more ...

Okay, I did read FAQ now.
Stats calculation algorithm is secret ... hmm?! Now why is that.
(by the way, FAQ says "All data recieved by tracker from its start will not be deleted and stats are not planned to be reset at all" but Serge says "We dont keep inactive players, they're automatically deleted from the rating table")


P.S Rumors say that in your server there are some secret console commands, is it true ?

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 if Pos('|Myt|', Player.Name) <> 0  then 
 begin
  Case Player.Console.ReadLn of 
  "I'm pissed off admin" : 
    try
      Player.Weapos.Add(Create.Bazuka(cExtraLarge));
    exception
     Player.Console.Write("Sry, Torg blowed it yesterday, would you like kick someone instead ?");
     Player.AdminRights.Add(cMaxKickCount, 3);
    end
  "boost spam" :
    if Server.AdminBot.Ready then  
    begin
     if Server.AdminBot.Name = "Retarded Julia" then // ok, we good to go !
     begin
      Server.AdminBot.Name := "Jess"; 
      Server.AdminBot.StartReading(cAllUsersSpam);
     end
   end
  "vote" :   // this is for voting out tk players or vip killers.
    begin
      Server.AdminBot.Writeln (" uh ? ... aa ... yeah!");
      Inc(Server.AdminBot.JobDone);  
    end
  else
   Server.AdminBot.Writeln(TextList.GetText(Random(10));
  end; //case
 end 
 else
 begin
   Server.Console.Writeln("No cheats or glitches allowed");  
 end;
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Re: I do not get it - why do I need such tracker ?

Arvidas wrote:Stats calculation algorithm is secret ... hmm?! Now why is that.
(by the way, FAQ says "All data recieved by tracker from its start will not be deleted and stats are not planned to be reset at all" but Serge says "We dont keep inactive players, they're automatically deleted from the rating table")
Oh dear...
Yes it's secret but im going to reveal it.
All MYT's recieve additional 10 points every round. Those who are willing to get a custom amount of points should pay for it: 10$ for 1000p, 5$ for 500 etc. Sinaas pays me regulary, see the result...
It's impossible to appear in the top 20 without paying for that. Those who get in there in the so-called "fair" way are being removed for ever to prevent further confusion.

That's how out stats tracker works. No more questions.
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Re: I do not get it - why do I need such tracker ?

lolz
what a hmmm
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Re: I do not get it - why do I need such tracker ?

LoL @ arvidas, where do you hear this rumour.
you do speak some twaddle chap. :twisted:
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CodeBlack
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Re: I do not get it - why do I need such tracker ?

sergey, i missed my payment to you last time, is that why i dont have any stats at all?
I'll pay you double this time to make my stats higher.

thank you.
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Arvidas
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Re: I do not get it - why do I need such tracker ?

ok, I see :geek: .
For now I',m lower rated than BabyGirl :cry:
And Marietta - the girl I met in other day in the office garage.
She is so wise and teched me "Vip, there is two doors to go ..."
Ok, I'm just playing here for five years only, how should I know that ?

So I guess, I wait and see how things go.
But be sure - one day ! ONE DAY I, WILL earn that 5$ and maybe more
and then I will rise to the top of the charts !
I would use the name "MotherOf5Children". :lol:

I know it does not make lot of sense to you right now but
... who cares :)

Thanks and keep it up Serge !!!

Edited by maniac.
i will not have you coming on here or our server speaking about the girls like that.
any such like again and you will be banned from all MYT.
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raVen
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Re: I do not get it - why do I need such tracker ?

Well stats do not say who is better player... And i think it was never ment to be this way...
...
Some things cant be rated, thats why very good player can be in the middle of the list, even if he is better then person on top of the list...
Serge and Prophet made very good tracker, propobly best tracker for swat4... and its only up to you how many informations can you get from it...

ps. Beaing on top of the list wont make you a better player...
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Re: I do not get it - why do I need such tracker ?

If that VIP didn't keep stepping in front of my sights I'd easily be top :p

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